Soros plots against Trump

In the beginning, I believed that Trump was just an average plutocrat who will either not change anything, or make the matters worse. However, this changed. Main reason for the change was the fact that Trump is being opposed by George Soros, a man who has done much and more to try and destroy democracy in Croatia, my homeland. Anyone whom Soros does not like must, at the very least, be a better option than anyone whom Soros does like. Wether this means that Trump will be objectively good, or simply not as bad as Hillary would have been, remains to be seen.

Some more reading:

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/14/george-soros-meets-with-democratic-donors-to-plot-plan-to-take-back-power-from-trump/

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-soros-trump-231313

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/george-soros-declares-war-on-trump

http://yournewswire.com/george-soros-funds-anti-trump-riots/

http://pamelageller.com/2016/11/george-soros-exposed-money-behind-anti-trump-protests.html/

https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-orgs-driving-trump-protests/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-12/anti-trump-us-color-revolution-includes-soros-and-clinton-%E2%80%98purple%E2%80%99-takeover-0

http://www.novi-svjetski-poredak.com/tag/george-soros/

http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/otkrivamo-planove-milijardera-sorosa-u-hrvatskoj-46476#axzz4Q4ToXXki

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/14/george-soros-meets-with-democratic-donors-to-plot-plan-to-take-back-power-from-trump/

http://themindunleashed.com/2016/11/breaking-white-house-abandons-tpp-ttip.html

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  1. Ahhh the battle of the billionaires.

    Only one winner there, and would have been without his recent position. Still whilst I enjoy libtard tears people forget some things about Donald Trump. Yes I’m sure he’s a self enriching narcissist, more evil than Hitler and whatever other memes are currently doing the rounds. He is however not a politician. He’s never held office or been elected to anything. Do you think he likes being spied on? Think he likes the corruption enshrined by lobbyists and special interests? You think the idea that the President can assassinate American citizens by drone strike without any Senate or Congressional oversight makes him proud?

    He’s also possibly the best self publicist in the Western world, his name is his brand and I don’t think he plans on tarnishing it. I’ve read a lot of his stuff and believe it or not he’s pretty bright, has an interesting take on geopolitics and has always taken an interest in it. Not that is from secret dispatches and policy wonks but from the same sources we use.

    Now if he wasn’t a billionaire I don’t think he’d get any where near as much flak, though frankly only a billionaire could run for president without funding from special interests. A lot of political pundits only look at the money, that’s how important it is to raise vast sums of cash for an American election. Well he just did it on a shoestring, self funded the entire thing and owes nobody anything. Hillary spent billions. Oh and he has a reputation for being tighter than scrooge so I suspect all that pork barrelling is going to take a bit hit. Just showing that you can win the presidency for a few hundred million rather than billions reduces the power of the special interests and corruptions by 80%.

    If I was alt left I’d dry my tears and actually think about what all this means.

    • “Yes I’m sure he’s a self enriching narcissist, more evil than Hitler and whatever other memes are currently doing the rounds.”

      Problem is that “liberals” – especially progressives – don’t like facing the reality. Now, this is true for any political ideology, but modern Western liberals seem to be especially bad in that area. Cancelling classes because Trump won? What the f**k is wrong with modern US? I deliberately allow insults on my blog as long as they don’t hamper the discussion because I believe that a) it is understandable for people to get emotional and b) people today need to grow a f***ing spine, but apparently liberals believe that being sheltered from the world is good.

      “He is however not a politician. He’s never held office or been elected to anything. Do you think he likes being spied on? Think he likes the corruption enshrined by lobbyists and special interests? You think the idea that the President can assassinate American citizens by drone strike without any Senate or Congressional oversight makes him proud?”

      I hope so, but take a look at what is happening. Soros is financing the media and the riots, and both Congress and the Senate are under plutocrats’ control. They will oppose Trump, and this can possibly bring the US political system to a standstill.

      “Now if he wasn’t a billionaire I don’t think he’d get any where near as much flak, though frankly only a billionaire could run for president without funding from special interests.”

      Agreed. And that last point is why I’m holding some hope. But even if Trump does prove to be a okay person, take a look at what happened to all US presidents who were truly good – shot dead during their terms, all of them.

      “If I was alt left I’d dry my tears and actually think about what all this means.”

      As it happens, I am quite left in many of my views – for example, my support for direct democracy – and I am starting to like Trump. But, we’ll see. Better not to count the eggs before they’ve hatched.

  2. “He is however not a politician. He’s never held office or been elected to anything.”

    Neither was Hitler

    “Think he likes the corruption enshrined by lobbyists and special interests? ”

    Yup. He is one of those special interests. Just ask the people of Indonesia, or New Jersey if Indonesia is to far away.

    “You think the idea that the President can assassinate American citizens by drone strike without any Senate or Congressional oversight makes him proud?”

    Pretty much, considering his campaign rhetoric of going after the families of terrorists.

    “He’s also possibly the best self publicist in the Western world, his name is his brand and I don’t think he plans on tarnishing it.”

    Why not. Self tarnishing worked wonders for him, best free advertising ever.

    “I’ve read a lot of his stuff and believe it or not he’s pretty bright, has an interesting take on geopolitics and has always taken an interest in it.”

    Interesting … let’s leave it at that.

    “Not that is from secret dispatches and policy wonks but from the same sources we use.”

    Yes… National Inquirer….

    “Now if he wasn’t a billionaire I don’t think he’d get any where near as much flak,”

    No. He would get more … as a billionaire celebrity he can get away with murder.

    • A few more thoughts… Europe is fucked. They’ll be paying for their own defence soon and global trade is slowing, likely to be contracting soon. Doubt the banks will last the winter, hell the EU is even set to demand £50 billion from the UK for Brexit – good luck with that one! They’re trying to tax grab American company profits, though as Trump will want to repatriate dollars anyway he’ll probably just amnesty them. Germany in particular relies massively on exports, once global trade contracts it’ll get messy. Reports that Trump is going to appoint Nigel Farage as his ambassador to the EU tells you everything you need to know…

      Hope the EU politicians who all lined up to insult him feel it was worth it, think it might be costly myself.

      • Germany is fucked, without-out Britain and with the huge fall in popularity it took it will never be able to overrule France in the EU again. Junkers and other brain-fucked European bureaucrats will probably be out of their jobs.
        Starting next year, after their election will probably be won by a populist leftist newcomer that will use Trump like tactics to trash both establishment left and right and Euro-skeptics, France will push the reforms of the EU it wanted since the 70s, by creating an elected executive and legislative for the EU which will have a positive effect on the perception of EU in Eastern Europe, moving form an Empire ruled by Germany to an actual republic. Trump’s policy in forcing Europe to pay for its defense and antagonizing everybody will only speed up the crystallizing of a new European Confederation, which will present a United front against Russia putting Putin in his place, force favorable trade concession from China and India and start to built a credible military. Be the end of Trumps second term, the US will be shocked to be confronted by a new Super-Power with twice its population, more advanced technology (because it didn’t spend trillions building walls, deporting people and opening useless coal mines) and a more powerful and productive economy because of a much higher percentage highly educated people thanks to freed education. And then the true confrontation will begin, because the true enemy of Europe was never Russia or China, always the US a country created by thieves and religious nuts, off thieves and religious nuts, for thieves and religious nuts,
        And all this will be tanks to Trump, because it would not have been possible without the shock of his election, revealing the power of the common people. (Not democracy because Trump was not democratically elected)

        • I hope so, but right now Europe is facing the danger of Islam. And it is a real danger. So we should focus more on the Mediterranean. Maybe Trump-esque wall would not be such a bad idea.

      • I hope the banks do die, they got fat on the economic crisis they themselves caused.

      • “I hope so, but right now Europe is facing the danger of Islam. And it is a real danger. So we should focus more on the Mediterranean. Maybe Trump-esque wall would not be such a bad idea.”

        How can you build walls on water? Better then building walls would be to keep the educated ones that took their families and disperse them all over EU, and send back the young, single, man which are like 80% of them to fight for the families they abandoned. Fraking cowards.

        • I was thinking more of a wall around Turkish border. And even educated immigrants would present a danger of their children going “radical”, as indeed is happening in Western European countries. Islam is an ideology not dissimilar to Nazism, and on that count at least I agree with Trump. Education does not stop people from going crazy – most Nazis were both well-educated and of above-average intelligence.

      • “And even educated immigrants would present a danger of their children going “radical”, as indeed is happening in Western European countries. ”

        That’s why I was suggesting dispersing them all over EU. And I’m not saying send them to established Muslim communities, no, I’m saying one, two, maximum, three families per rural village, without any prior Muslims, with strict oversight from social and immigration services. Integrating these families into rural communities would not be a big problem, job-wise, because most of them have profession such as doctors and agricultural engineers and teachers. I should now, under Ceausescu, Romania educated half of Syria’s intellectuals. Radicalization dose not happen in isolated families it happens in communities were one or two percent of the youth feel excluded and start googling extremist Islam. Break those communities force the families to integrate into existing cultures and most of the problems will be resolved. Yes some of the children might get radicalized but they would be easy to identify by the oversight from social and immigration services, because it is easy to follow a single individual that stands out form the surrounding population. I mean lets say that police tags some extremist messages originating from a village in the North of Germany where there are only two Muslim families, now I wonder where those messages could originate from. Try to do the same in a Bruxelles suburb with thousands of Muslim families.
        This dispersion that I’m suggesting is easy to do with fresh refugee families especially if you separate them from the vocal trouble makers that are young man. Those families will accept anything, and them being refuges not usual immigrants, gives state authorities justification to use unusual methods such as dispersion and right of long time surveillance.

        “I was thinking more of a wall around Turkish border.”

        Still most of Turkish border is water. Unless you suggest helping Turkey build a wall on it’s southern border, which might not fly with Erdogans extremist Islamist supporters.

        “Islam is an ideology not dissimilar to Nazism, and on that count at least I agree with Trump.”

        I don’t remember Trump comparing Nazism to Islam, he says he is against Islam but if he is so against Islam why dose he have business interests in Fundamentalist Islamic countries such as Indonesia and UAE? My opinion is that it’s a lie just like the lie that he, who has rubbed elbows with financial elites all his life, has any interest in helping working class people or any idea how to do it.

        “Education does not stop people from going crazy – most Nazis were both well-educated and of above-average intelligence.”

        Education alone, no. But education and the lack of a critical mass of other like minded people that stop educated persons from thinking, yes. Uneducated and/or unintelligent persons can easily become radicalized even if alone if they come in to contact with some new ideas that they do not have the education or intelligence to evaluate. Intelligent educated people will hardly become radical, when they are alone, because if they are alone they have the time to think on that matter. To radicalize intelligent, educated people one needs to put them in a mob where they will not have the time to think because the communal opinion will drown out other thoughts. Such a mob where the Nazi rallies that got Hitler into power, and such a mob are the European suburbs overcrowded with Muslim families.
        That’s why I was suggesting picking only intelligent educated people to settle and to disperse them allover the EU in such a way that they do not form communities, which have the potential of becoming mobs.

        • “That’s why I was suggesting dispersing them all over EU. And I’m not saying send them to established Muslim communities, no, I’m saying one, two, maximum, three families per rural village, without any prior Muslims, with strict oversight from social and immigration services. Integrating these families into rural communities would not be a big problem, job-wise, because most of them have profession such as doctors and agricultural engineers and teachers.”

          Yes, but unless immigration is significantly reduced, that will not be practical. There is also a problem of “Internet radicalization”, not to mention that one can easily radicalize simply by reading Islamic holy texts, because what people call “radical Islam” is actually a true face of Islam; anything else is a lie.

          “Radicalization dose not happen in isolated families it happens in communities were one or two percent of the youth feel excluded and start googling extremist Islam.”

          Exclusion isn’t even necessary, stupidity is self-reinforcing so all you need for “extremist” crazies to start appearing is an area with muslim majority. Even if it is a local majority in one block of a city. Problem is Islam, itself.

          “Yes some of the children might get radicalized but they would be easy to identify by the oversight from social and immigration services, because it is easy to follow a single individual that stands out form the surrounding population. I mean lets say that police tags some extremist messages originating from a village in the North of Germany where there are only two Muslim families, now I wonder where those messages could originate from. Try to do the same in a Bruxelles suburb with thousands of Muslim families.”

          Agreed.

          “I don’t remember Trump comparing Nazism to Islam, he says he is against Islam but if he is so against Islam why dose he have business interests in Fundamentalist Islamic countries such as Indonesia and UAE? My opinion is that it’s a lie just like the lie that he, who has rubbed elbows with financial elites all his life, has any interest in helping working class people or any idea how to do it.”

          Trump’s security (General Michael Flynn) advisor did compare Islam to cancer (personally, I feel that is a bit too insulting to cancer) and there are plans for immigration:
          https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/23/donald-trump-plans-us-muslim-registry
          There’s also this:
          https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/08/donald-trump-america-muslim-citizens

          “Education alone, no. But education and the lack of a critical mass of other like minded people that stop educated persons from thinking, yes. Uneducated and/or unintelligent persons can easily become radicalized even if alone if they come in to contact with some new ideas that they do not have the education or intelligence to evaluate. Intelligent educated people will hardly become radical, when they are alone, because if they are alone they have the time to think on that matter. To radicalize intelligent, educated people one needs to put them in a mob where they will not have the time to think because the communal opinion will drown out other thoughts. Such a mob where the Nazi rallies that got Hitler into power, and such a mob are the European suburbs overcrowded with Muslim families.”

          Indeed. Problem is that Islam by its nature is hostile to critical thinking, just like any other totalitarian ideology – or indeed most ideologies, even such seemingly benign ideologies such as liberalism. So one can be either a devout (believing, practicing) Muslim, or a thinking, human being. Not both. And today, one can be part of a mob even while sitting in a room.

          “That’s why I was suggesting picking only intelligent educated people to settle and to disperse them allover the EU in such a way that they do not form communities, which have the potential of becoming mobs.”

          Educated people are not necessarily intelligent. In fact, educated muslims are just as likely, maybe even more likely, to be extremists than uneducated ones:
          https://aussieconservativeblog.com/2016/11/26/islamic-terrorists-not-poor-and-illiterate-but-rich-and-educated/

  3. “Starting next year, after their election will probably be won by a populist leftist newcomer that will use Trump like tactics to trash both establishment left and right and Euro-skeptics, France will push the reforms of the EU it wanted since the 70s, by creating an elected executive and legislative for the EU which will have a positive effect on the perception of EU in Eastern Europe, moving form an Empire ruled by Germany to an actual republic”

    Can’t see any of this happening myself.. Germany pays the bills, calls the shots. France? Well don’t get me wrong it’s a nice breadbasket but a potentially scary one if ruled by Le Pen. Unanimity of action and thought from the EU only happens when everyone has been equally bribed.

    “Be the end of Trumps second term, the US will be shocked to be confronted by a new Super-Power with twice its population, more advanced technology (because it didn’t spend trillions building walls, deporting people and opening useless coal mines) and a more powerful and productive economy because of a much higher percentage highly educated people thanks to freed education.”

    Good luck, I can’t see a strong Europe being anyone’s priority. Quite the opposite. More likely they’ll still be squabbling over their entitlements which is fine with strong growing economies ( or economy – Germany) though will become more bitter considering the migrations to Germany both from within Europe and beyond. A superpower 8 years hence? Christ it takes them longer than that to design an 8×8!

    “And then the true confrontation will begin, because the true enemy of Europe was never Russia or China, always the US a country created by thieves and religious nuts, off thieves and religious nuts, for thieves and religious nuts,”

    The combined might of the EU’s navies would struggle against the US Coast Guard and lose to the USMC alone. Sure increased defence spending might mend some holes but power projection isn’t going to be the priority.

    Don’t get me wrong I can see some of the more venal politicians seeing that picking fights with Trump boosts their popularity and guarantees them exposure. I can also see many others sucking up. The whingeing discord will get worse and the focus of power will shift even further away though it isn’t going to be in anyone’s interests to help.

    • “Germany paying bills blah bla blah”
      Germany is not paying shit. Their so called strong economie is kept afloat by Easter European EU countries buying their exports which they can push because of lack of customs in the EU. Without this they wouldn’t be able to compete with China. The bills they pay to the EU are with money made on the backs of Greeks, Croats, Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, etc and in these countries there is a huge backlash against Germany and German arrogance at the moment. Coupled with the shock of Brexit and Trump it’s safe to say Germany is no longer calling the shots and will not for a very long time.

      As for nobody being interested in a strong united Europe: with Putin and Trump kissing each other on the mouth over Europe, believe me, perceptions will change in Europe pretty fast. They already starting. Unlike you Americans we actually learn history in School and the whole Geo-Political situation right now has a very strong double Deja-Vu felling right now.

      • So this united Europe you were telling me about a moment ago….

      • … Will happen if people learn the lessons from Brexit and Trump and especially if they curb German aspirations for leadership. They are disciplined and good for organizing industry but history shows that they are to lacking in imagination and initiative to be good leaders, so a dynamic like the early 90s with France taking a leadership position and Germany the supporting one is much better.

        Any way what I say is at lot less wishful thinking to the insane aspiration that a man who won the election on basically the same speech as Hitler, would some how let a country to a better outcome. Give me a break. Repeating the same actions and hoping for a better outcome is pure insanity. (Don’t remember who I’m quoting here, but I know I’m quoting somebody )

        And before you accuse me of being brainwashed by liberal Soros controlled media, know that the comparison with Hitler comes from my own observation back in March or April when Trump was still considered a joke, let’s see on what I base by comparison:

        1) Blame external treaties for Economic troubles – double check – NAFTA and TPP for Trump, Versailes for Hitler
        2) Blaming minorities for internal troubles – double check again – Mexicans and Muslims for Trump, Jews for Hitler
        3) Narcissistic personality – check
        4) Frustrating failures in the past – check – Hitler’s failure to enter art school in Vienna and disappointing military carrier, Trump’s early business failures in the 80s and early 90s , Atlantic city comes to mind , and lack of approval from his father
        5) Misogynist tendencies – check
        6) Appearance of being new and refreshing and opposed to the establishment – check
        7) Promising military expansion – check
        8) Giving the appearance of good negotiator in international affairs – check
        9) Charismatic orator, preferring rallies to other forms of political campaigning – check
        10) Making leftist promises (jobs etc. ) while having ties or being part of right wing financial elites who’s agenda he is also pushing – check – frankly Trumps platform is neither Republican nor Democrat, it has a mix of liberalism and conservatism that was present in only one other platform that I know off Hitlers National-Socialism better know as Nazism.
        11) And I could go on and on but I’ll stop here with the most important and troubling, for of a corollary of point 10 and a prediction: Promising jobs and infrastructure rebuilding while cutting taxes which will probably led to increases of external debt to such levels where only war is an option – you betcha

        • 1) NAFTA and TPP did contribute to US economic woes. Or rather, the neoliberal, globalist thinking that made them also caused the near-economic meltdown (outsorcing etc)
          2) Can’t say for Mexicans, but Muslims do cause trouble, because Islam is an inherently fascistic ideology. Not all of them obviuosly, but consider that only 11% Germans supported Nazism, and see how it turned out.

  4. “Repeating the same actions and hoping for a better outcome is pure insanity. (Don’t remember who I’m quoting here, but I know I’m quoting somebody )”

    You’re no Einstein then.

    “so a dynamic like the early 90s with France taking a leadership position and Germany the supporting one is much better.”

    As a part time snail farmer I expect a cheque in the post. Last time I heard France and leadership in the same sentence was the fewest soap sales in Europe graph.

    “And before you accuse me of being brainwashed by liberal Soros controlled media”

    I prefer their take…

    • “You’re no Einstein then.”

      Or Ben Franklin or Mark Twain: http://www.news.hypercrit.net/2012/11/13/einstein-on-misattribution-i-probably-didnt-say-that/ The source was probably AA which is very appropriate, for this situation.

      “As a part time snail farmer I expect a cheque in the post. Last time I heard France and leadership in the same sentence was the fewest soap sales in Europe graph.”

      To obscure a reference to understand WTF you mean to say.

      “I prefer their take…”

      So you think I’m a Clinton fan? Well compared to how I see Trump one might misconstrue that I like old-woman Clinton, but I don’t, for me she is in the same shit bucket as Trump, the difference is I can see her head above the shit while Trump is well at the bottom of the bucket. Though I agree with Trump on one thing: she has grit, you have to have one hell of a thick skin or be one hell of a masochist or both to keep coming back like this, she is bordering on the pathetic.

      Tell you who I kind of like: Bernie Sanders, that guy was a true outsider but with enough political experience to actually be capable of changing something.

  5. AA? So you can’t even spell Einstein’s initials?

    And you think france has leadership potential, and that the EU is united.

    Whilst I bathe in liberal tears what do you do for an encore? Can you sing? Lol

    • ROFL – that stands for: Rolling On the Floor Laughing I say that because I see you have a problem with acronyms:

      AA – Alcoholics Anonymous . If you had bothered to follow the link instead of posting like an imbecile that thinks his got something on somebody smarter then him, then maybe you would not have made a fool of yourself.
      Thank you any way for making my day by confirming every stereotype of right wing, Breitbart eating, trump loving , tards. Thank you from the bottom of my buttocks.

      LOL – that is Laughing Out Load (explained because of you issues with acronyms. )

      And for the record I’m not a liberal, that’s to right wing for me … ohhh, yeah, I forgot there for a second, you Americans are still politically in the early 19th century, for you liberals are still left wing. Well for the rest of the what you guys call liberalism is actually Social Democracy. Liberalism is actually what Trump is trying to sell you, so you supporting Trump would make you a libtard.

      Bye, bye libtard. I’m signing off here because I have a felling this conversation is going to degenerate.

  6. I doubt things would have been any better with Clinton. She would have stuffed the cabinet with 3 types of people:

    1. Her sycophants
    2. Neoconservatives
    3. Bankers (particularly those who paid for her rise)

    I don’t see how this ends well. Basically more of the status quo, only far worse than Obama because she is much more corrupt and much more pro-war. Notice how often she tried to frame it as attacks towards Trump and tried to censor any criticism of herself as because she is a woman, rather than her serious policies.

    As for Germany, they have an 8.5% current account surplus.
    http://voxeu.org/article/danger-germanys-current-account-surpluses-results-cfm-and-cepr-survey

    This is going to create a massive backlash down the line and if left uncorrected, the Euro as a currency may fail. It is responsible for undervaluing Germany and overvaluing the rest of Europe.

    Europe is basically being colonized and like most colonies, ordinary Germans have not benefited. If you look at German wages, there is a huge wage productivity gap right now and one other challenge is that German productivity has remained relatively slow.

    • Yes, only thing worse than Trump is Clinton… and for Germany, it is an imperial, colonial power. Just look at how Merkel is trying to dictate policies to the rest of the EU… United Kingdom did well they left.

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