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Vortices representation

Posted by picard578 on September 20, 2014

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24 Responses to “Vortices representation”

  1. Chris said

    The FLX design should have very similar vortices then to the Rafale design.

    The leading edge, close coupled canard design is very similar.


  2. Andrei said

    Interesting is that Rafale uses both LERX for it’s wing and chines for the canard. Main function of chines on the Rafale though is not vortex generation but to shield the airflow in the intakes at high AoA. Basically they give lateral mounted intakes the same advantage as ventral mounted intakes.


  3. Chris said

    I’d say among these, it’s clear that the Rafale had the most thought that went into the airframe design. You can tell from well … the way the plane is designed. The leading edge, stakes, chines, canard configuration, and a few other body shape features, that it has the most aerodynamically refined design.

    I suppose a case could be made that the Su-27 too has a pretty refined design – many of the later variants anyways. I’ve always wondered what a true delta wing Su-27 with canards would look like – probably a better fighter than what they have.


  4. Picard guess what!


  5. Chris said

    In the context of a 4th generation war against Islamic fundamentalism, radar stealth is for the most part irrelevant. The end result is that the F-22 is an expensive and for the money, ineffective platform for waging the type of war that the US plans to fight.

    Another problem here seems to be the culture of the US military. They seem to think that they can win a war by strategic bombing ISIS into submission somehow. Never mind history. That’s how the F-22 is being used and that’s likely how the bulk of the campaign is going to be conducted, unless their goal is to escalate to a 2003 style repeat.


    • picard578 said

      “Never mind history.”

      US military never was interested in learning lessons from history.


      • Chris said

        They seem to be fighting to make the MICC rich, more so than anything else at this point.

        This whole war could have been avoided had they never invaded Iraq in 2003 under the falsified reason that Saddam had WMDs that he was about to imminently use against the US.

        Likewise, the US seems to learn little when it comes to foreign policy. Diplomacy seems to be viewed as weakness.


        • picard578 said

          As ironic as it may be, I actually agree with this article:

          Once US invaded Iraq, they automatically accepted responsibility for what will happen after they retreat. And as a matter of fact, invasion itself was not a problem: people were happy that Saddam was out of power.

          Problem was what followed. People of Iraq *spontaneously* organized local elections in a display of democracy that overshadows so-called “democracies” in the West. They also wanted to elect the government by themselves. Instead, US declared elections invalid, and installed a dictatorship via “Provisional Authority” in order to carry out privatization of Iraq. That is when problems began – it was privatization that sparked insurgency, privatization that destabilized the country, privatization that caused Iraqi military to be incapable of dealing with insurgency then and ISIL now (not that Saddam’s military was competent, mind you, but it wasn’t *that* bad).


  6. Chris said

    The issue here is that the US was never benevolent in its reason for invading Iraq.

    It was always about plundering Iraq for its natural resources and making a few special interests (most notably the defense and fossil fuel industries) very rich. The talk of building a Western style democracy was always a lie for the gullible. There never was a serious effort to try to attempt to implement a workable society after the war. I have no doubt in 2003, the advocates for war knew that Saddam did not have WMDs – in fact, they falsified the evidence as a rationale for invading.

    The other issue is that privatization seems to fail more often than not. Often it ends up with a few rich oligarchs and the population paying more for inferior service. So much for free market efficiency.

    Of course, what they did not anticipate was that people are not so submissive. They can figure out that you are not here for their benefit.


    • picard578 said

      True. Even current US help to Peshmerga is only on table because US oil corporations have interest in Kurdistan.

      “Often it ends up with a few rich oligarchs and the population paying more for inferior service.”

      That is actually the *entire* point of privatization… BTW, I’m currently listening to a quite fun song (in Croatian, but here’s a partial lyrics translation: “In the South, Pinguines eat people, in the West, people (eat) people, and East is trying to become like West”.


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